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  Weekly Scripture Twist - aka the Watchtower Study

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  “more than material assistance, refugees need spiritual and emotional support.

  (matt.

  4:4) elders can help by obtaining literature in the language of the refugees and by helping them contact brothers who speak their language.

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  A bit of humor may put the point across.

  
  
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  Interesting Take on Vows

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. bible

  so yesterday was the wt on vows.. it spoke, in part about two vows.

  the vow you make in dedication and the vow of marriage.

  here's how it describes them.. the most important vow that a christian can make is the one with which he dedicates his life to jehovah.

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  Clearly this is setting out the scene that it's perfectly OK for a young child, perhaps only around 10 years old or less, to get baptised - which by implication means dedication.

  Yes, less!!!!

  There are no less than two examples, WT yearbooks no less, of 6 year olds getting baptized. A 6 year old is much closer in age to an infant than to those adults getting married.
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  Animals As Food :giving Thanks to their Spirit as opposed to Thanking God For the Food provided.

  by smiddy in

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  2. beliefs

  as i was cutting up our bbq chook in preperation for our meals i thought about some indigenous societies that just after a kill give thanks to the spirit of the animal for providing its life so he and his family can live.. i thought that seems to make a helluva lot more sense than giving thanks to an unseen god who is apparently indifferent to mankinds sufferings and is deaf to all the prayers that are offered up to him.. maybe we dont hunt for our food nowadays in the civilized world , but i think its food for thought..

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  Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

  please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

  i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

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  I also have what you call the "fatboy" (this is the first I've heard that term but I guess it fits), the 1953-1960 published in 1963. This naïve young (age 23) man (that's me) has underlining in the preface that I now have no idea why I did it.

  With all those cross references, footnotes, etc. -- we all thought it was the ultimate in the technology of the day.

  I'm not sure what computer technology WT had in those days. The midwestern company that I worked for in 1963 would introduced us to labor reporting the following year, data that was fed via punch cards into an IBM 360.
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  What's worse, 2 week old getting nearly 100 rat bites and living, or Jesus' torture and death?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. social
  2. current

  some 35 miles from here, in the small town of magnolia, ar, a teen couple is in trouble -- as they should be -- for allowing their 2 week old girl, a 5 pound baby, to suffer nearly 100 bites from rats.

  one of the bites was so large and deep it required plastic surgery.

  i don't want to even think about the horror this teeny creature felt during those instances -- and the horrible nightmares she may suffer in years to come.. i wonder if this is one of those human experiences that may be worse than what christ suffered on that stake.

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  Some 35 miles from here, in the small town of Magnolia, AR, a teen couple is in trouble -- as they should be -- for allowing their 2 week old girl, a 5 pound baby, to suffer nearly 100 bites from rats. One of the bites was so large and deep it required plastic surgery. I don't want to even think about the horror this teeny creature felt during those instances -- and the horrible nightmares she may suffer in years to come.

  I wonder if this is one of those human experiences that may be worse than what Christ suffered on that stake. I also think about prisoners of war and how some were treated before being put to death -- pulling out their fingernails comes to mind. The millions during the holocaust is another event that comes to mind.

  We've all been taught about the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus went through. Do you think that it was the ultimate?

  Len
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  10 Questions to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
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  we are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?

  2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?

  well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.

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  10. My mother suffered the pangs of birth so I could have a life. She fed me, changed my diapers, held me, dried my tears, taught me right from wrong and was always there for me. What kind of low-life ingrate will it make me IF I turn my back on her now because she won't quit smoking. . . .and you just DISFELLOWSHIPPED HER!!

  Well said, Terry.

  They simply never get their priories straight, do they? Jesus reinforces what you said from Matt 15:11: . . . Not what enters into [his] mouth [food, drink, Skoal, Chesterfields, etc] defiles a man; but it is what proceeds out of [his] mouth that defiles a man.
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  10 Questions to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?

  2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?

  well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.

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  Are you still faithful to the Watchtower ? If so, you are rebelling against Jehovah and his organization by visiting and blogging on this site. How do you explain this. Anxious to know

  Cuz as we learned from Breakfast of Champions, certain ones with permission from elders may post to this site (and others) and report triple time.
  
  
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  God is a Union Man

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those active jws, there is a new program in place where publishers who frequent and 'witness' on apostate websites will receive triple time!

  that's right, for every hour you spend on an apostate site you may count three hours (hazard pay) just let your service committee know you're interested in this new program and you may be approved to receive triple time!.

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  For those active JWs, there is a new program in place where publishers who frequent and 'witness' on apostate websites will receive TRIPLE TIME! That's right, for every hour you spend on an apostate site you may count THREE HOURS (hazard pay) Just let your service committee know you're interested in this new program and you may be approved to receive TRIPLE TIME!

  I realize this is a six year old original post but I've been here some 12 years and have never heard of such a WT practice, where they actually endorse -- even encourage -- posting at apostate sites. Yes, BOC, I also realize it may have been a one-and-done event. Is this a current practice?

  By the way, congratulations on your uni achievement that you posted about a few days ago.
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  So, how's it feel, Watchtower -- now that the shoe's on the other foot?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yes, your cult has been banned in russia.

  what surprises me is that this hasn't happened in more countries.

  what surprises me is that civil suits in the u.s. haven't flooded the courts -- violation of civil and human rights because of the cruel act of shunning of disfellowshipped ones, even members of one's own family.. discrimination is a form of cruelty and civil and human rights define such.

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  Yes, your cult has been banned in Russia. What surprises me is that this hasn't happened in more countries. What surprises me is that civil suits in the U.S. haven't flooded the courts -- violation of civil and human rights because of the cruel act of shunning of disfellowshipped ones, even members of one's own family.

  Discrimination is a form of cruelty and civil and human rights define such. And shunning, in my humble opinion, is a very close relative to discrimination.

  It's not just the shunning that individual members practice against their fellow ex-brothers and ex-sisters -- that is merely the result of being ordered by "mother" (the governing body). If they don't shun then they, themselves, will be the subject of scrutiny, possibly brought into a hearing with the local kangaroo court.

  Shame, shame -- Watchtower, JW.ORG, and other appropriate synomyms.
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  Disfellowshipping decision to go before Canadian Supreme Court

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  high court will examine whether judicial review applies to membership decisions made by religious groups.

  the supreme court of canada has agreed to hear an appeal involving a calgary man who was kicked out of his jehovah's witness church.. randy wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the highwood congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.. as a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.. after losing three internal church appeals of his expulsion, wall made an application with the court of queen's bench in calgary which ordered a hearing to first determine if there was jurisdiction for the court to hear the application.. decisions and appeals.

  a judge decided the superior court did have jurisdiction to hear the application.. the church then appealed wall's decision to the alberta court of appeal, which upheld the court of queen's bench, affirming the court has jurisdiction to hear the matter.. one of the three appeal court judges dissented — arguing that congregations are private organizations akin to bridge clubs, whose decisions "are not enforceable promises and have limited, if any, impact outside its small circle.".

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  Wall told the panel his behaviour stemmed from stress related to the expulsion of his 15-year-old daughter who he and his wife were required by the church to shun.
  The congregation had already kicked the teen out of the community and as a result, even though she was a dependent child living with her parents, the family was pressured to evict the girl from the home, leading to "much distress."
  At the meeting, Wall admitted he'd been drunk twice that he'd verbally abused his wife once.
  The judicial committee found Wall was "not sufficiently repentant" and he was disfellowshipped, a decision that then compelled his wife, children and other Jehovah's Witnesses to shun him.

  I thought I've been keeping up-to-date on Watchtower's shunning regulations but the above quotation leaves me puzzled.

  I can't fathom where parents would be required to shun a 15-year old child -- unless that child was no longer living inside the home.

  Nor where the family was pressured to evict a 15-year old child from the home.

  Nor where wife and children could be compelled to shun the husband and father -- unless they didn't live under the same roof.